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UofL07 posted this here too but it was deleted for some reason?

Maybe it is my blue sunglasses that I have on, but the positive I take from that is the repeated, "If someone approaches us that adds value," statement.

I didn't know that... I didn't see it here so I posted it. If mods decide to delete this then oh well.

His very carefully chosen words are interesting, e.g. "we won't raid a conference but if a team approached us"; "a non eastern school"; "if someone was unhappy where they are now"

Still interesting nonetheless.

The way i'm looking at this is if the BCS goes away and we revert back to the old system, we could minor shifting to more regionalized conferences. And even the lack of a need for conferences which means Notre Dame may never join a conference. We also won't need conference title games. So essentially all you need is conference tie ins. Conferences that traditionally had 2 tie ins into the BCS due to the title game are going to lose a butt load of money.

He certainly makes it sound like nothing is going on w/ expansion, and all the rumors running around here are so much smoke. But he also made enough hedge statements to leave a gaping hole for a 9th/17th member. Guess we'll know for certain one of these days.

One thing he said should finally put to rest any idea that performance on the field has anything to do w/ conference admission, or the ability to remain in the conference and not be kicked out, as Temple was.

The criteria are: 1) a minimum number of scholarships; 2) commitment to a certain percentage for coaches, and 3) commitment to facilities. No mention of on-field performance.

(11-04-2009 10:52 PM)animus Wrote:  The way i'm looking at this is if the BCS goes away and we revert back to the old system, we could minor shifting to more regionalized conferences. And even the lack of a need for conferences which means Notre Dame may never join a conference. We also won't need conference title games. So essentially all you need is conference tie ins. Conferences that traditionally had 2 tie ins into the BCS due to the title game are going to lose a butt load of money.

Absent unlikely court or legislative action, is there reason to suspect a BCS break up?

(11-04-2009 10:59 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(11-04-2009 10:52 PM)animus Wrote:  The way i'm looking at this is if the BCS goes away and we revert back to the old system, we could minor shifting to more regionalized conferences. And even the lack of a need for conferences which means Notre Dame may never join a conference. We also won't need conference title games. So essentially all you need is conference tie ins. Conferences that traditionally had 2 tie ins into the BCS due to the title game are going to lose a butt load of money.

Absent unlikely court or legislative action, is there reason to suspect a BCS break up?

I don't know to tell you the truth.

(11-04-2009 10:54 PM)TripleA Wrote:  He certainly makes it sound like nothing is going on w/ expansion, and all the rumors running around here are so much smoke. But he also made enough hedge statements to leave a gaping hole for a 9th/17th member. Guess we'll know for certain one of these days.

One thing he said should finally put to rest any idea that performance on the field has anything to do w/ conference admission, or the ability to remain in the conference and not be kicked out, as Temple was.

The criteria are: 1) a minimum number of scholarships; 2) commitment to a certain percentage for coaches, and 3) commitment to facilities. No mention of on-field performance.

Hard to tell my friend. From reading the article a few times he seems to be hinting at a "Eastern" school. Theres 2 Eastern schools that don't play in the Big East that adds value to the conference and thats BC and Penn St.

his statement about a playoff meaning that only 8 teams would play in the post-season is ridiculous. clearly no one believes that, it is pure posturing on an issue.

if there was a playoff, every other bowl eligible would play in non playoff bowls just like they play in non-bcs bowls now.

furthermore, I'm sure conferences would share in revenues from the playoff just like they do in the bcs and in the other NCAA tourneys. even the selection for the playoff would probably bear some resemblance to the current system unless the NCAA stepped in to administer it. the major difference would just be that teams would have to advance to the championship game instead of being placed there.

re expansion of the BE I agree with Leaping Lanny that his words are very carefully chosen, and they do not discredit what our regular sources have said at all.

again, I don't think that anything is a done deal, but just because there may have been "no discussions" in formal meetings together, that doesn't mean that no discussions have happened between Memphis and individual schools.

I also am a believer in the reliability of reports of the "straw poll" from the spring, but I guess there was some technical way that it would be not a "discussion."

I'm not saying I think it's a sure thing that we're in, but I do think that some of the answers we keep hearing are a little too specific, and sound a lot like avoiding legal issues such as tampering.

(11-04-2009 10:54 PM)TripleA Wrote:  He certainly makes it sound like nothing is going on w/ expansion, and all the rumors running around here are so much smoke. But he also made enough hedge statements to leave a gaping hole for a 9th/17th member. Guess we'll know for certain one of these days.

One thing he said should finally put to rest any idea that performance on the field has anything to do w/ conference admission, or the ability to remain in the conference and not be kicked out, as Temple was.

The criteria are: 1) a minimum number of scholarships; 2) commitment to a certain percentage for coaches, and 3) commitment to facilities. No mention of on-field performance.

Thank God on the field performance isnt a factor, given our on the field performance or lack there of.....

(11-04-2009 10:59 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(11-04-2009 10:52 PM)animus Wrote:  The way i'm looking at this is if the BCS goes away and we revert back to the old system, we could minor shifting to more regionalized conferences. And even the lack of a need for conferences which means Notre Dame may never join a conference. We also won't need conference title games. So essentially all you need is conference tie ins. Conferences that traditionally had 2 tie ins into the BCS due to the title game are going to lose a butt load of money.

Absent unlikely court or legislative action, is there reason to suspect a BCS break up?

Imo, not in a million years.

(11-04-2009 11:08 PM)animus Wrote:  

(11-04-2009 10:54 PM)TripleA Wrote:  He certainly makes it sound like nothing is going on w/ expansion, and all the rumors running around here are so much smoke. But he also made enough hedge statements to leave a gaping hole for a 9th/17th member. Guess we'll know for certain one of these days.

One thing he said should finally put to rest any idea that performance on the field has anything to do w/ conference admission, or the ability to remain in the conference and not be kicked out, as Temple was.

The criteria are: 1) a minimum number of scholarships; 2) commitment to a certain percentage for coaches, and 3) commitment to facilities. No mention of on-field performance.

Hard to tell my friend. From reading the article a few times he seems to be hinting at a "Eastern" school. Theres 2 Eastern schools that don't play in the Big East that adds value to the conference and thats BC and Penn St.

Yeah, but we're all just guessing again. He left enough holes to run in any direction he chooses.

I choose to believe our guys who swear we're on the path and getting close. Time will tell.

"no discussions" in formal meetings together"

About as full of BS as could be. Of course there have been "no formal discussions". There are never "formal discussions" until it is a done deal.

We are meeting already, lol.

"Commitment to facilities" kinda leaves us out doesn't it?

nope.

The School of Added Value is Notre Dame. They have been pushing them towards full incllusion forever.

If that were not to happen (I think Notre Dame is heading to the Big 11 very soon), I think Memphis and UCF will fight it out for a spot in the Big East and we will win. I also think DePaul will leave and make Memphis' spot easier to fit into the basketball divisions.

The non-football playinng schools in the BE should seriously look into raiding the A-10 and/or any other team who doesn't have football or who has a long history of football failure and forming a top athletic conference without football. That would include us if we miss out on this next realignment.

We should seriously consider dropping football (or at least dropping a division) should the dominoes fall again and stop without us in the BCS.

(11-05-2009 02:28 AM)Brother Bluto Wrote:  "Commitment to facilities" kinda leaves us out doesn't it?

No. Because it is no small thing that we have rebuilt our baseball stadium, built a softball one for the women, built a new state of the art golf facility, raised money for football buildings, and worked out a deal for tennis to be at a better venue. If anyone thinks this happened without prodding, from the Big East, you would be wrong. We are doing what they ask us to do, in that area. We went three decades without doing anything for some major sports. We just didn't wake up and decide to upgrade, lol. Unlike the last expansion, we are listening to those who hold the future in their hands. As for Notre Dame, the game last weekend was a death blow to anyone thinking that they will join a league. Their AD stated that they don't need a league and are going to bring their product to their fans(as they just did by playing football in San Antonio).

We aren't about to drop football. What would we have to complain about to RC and SR?

Never mind, don't answer that.

I've been away since last weekend hanging with my buds TC, Cannon & J-money...I thought we already joined the BE on Monday?

The noise up here in Philadelphia recently has been that the "9th/17th" member of the Big East would be Boston College, and either East Carolina or Central Florida would take BC's vacated ACC spot...with UCF being the favorite.

(11-05-2009 09:00 AM)RCM1029 Wrote:  The noise up here in Philadelphia recently has been that the "9th/17th" member of the Big East would be Boston College, and either East Carolina or Central Florida would take BC's vacated ACC spot...with UCF being the favorite.

Coach K just threw up in his mouth.

All we know for sure is that the announcement will come on a Monday. 8(

(11-04-2009 10:44 PM)nhillis Wrote:  Maybe it is my blue sunglasses that I have on, but the positive I take from that is the repeated, "If someone approaches us that adds value," statement.

Unfortuately, we carry no value in football.

(11-05-2009 09:56 AM)Birmingham Tiger Wrote:  

(11-04-2009 10:44 PM)nhillis Wrote:  Maybe it is my blue sunglasses that I have on, but the positive I take from that is the repeated, "If someone approaches us that adds value," statement.

Unfortuately, we carry no value in football.

You are falling into the trap that many make. The BE thing is not about the on field product. It is strictly about money. Whether we are 0-12 or 12-0, it won't make a bit of difference. This is all about the $$$ value of what you bring. Those involved have been very specific in saying that to people.

(11-04-2009 10:48 PM)Leaping Lanny Poffo Wrote:  His very carefully chosen words are interesting, e.g. "we won't raid a conference but if a team approached us"; "a non eastern school"; "if someone was unhappy where they are now"

Actually he said "an Eastern school that's now in a non-Eastern quote-unquote conference". My opinion is that it is an obvious reference to Penn State (eastern school that is a member of a mid-western conference), especially when you consider that the statements in the article are pretty much identical to this statement he made earlier in the year:

“We talk about it a lot and we’ve always said that if a school came along that brought value to our league we’d consider it. No one has approached us that quote, unquote brings that value,” Marinatto said. “If Notre Dame or Penn State, for example, knocked on our door tomorrow we’d expand in football. But we haven’t had that happen.”

Boston College could also be another school he was talking about indirectly, since they play in the ACC (more of a southeastern conference). Before anyone says "The Big East is never going to get Penn St to join", let me add that I am merely trying to interpret what the commish, not analyze whether what he said is feasible or realistic. I don't believe the Big East will ever have a chance of landing Penn St.

(11-05-2009 10:01 AM)UofL07 Wrote:  

(11-04-2009 10:48 PM)Leaping Lanny Poffo Wrote:  His very carefully chosen words are interesting, e.g. "we won't raid a conference but if a team approached us"; "a non eastern school"; "if someone was unhappy where they are now"

Actually he said "an Eastern school that's now in a non-Eastern quote-unquote conference". My opinion is that it is an obvious reference to Penn State (eastern school that is a member of a mid-western conference), especially when you consider that the statements in the article are pretty much identical to this statement he made earlier in the year:

“We talk about it a lot and we’ve always said that if a school came along that brought value to our league we’d consider it. No one has approached us that quote, unquote brings that value,” Marinatto said. “If Notre Dame or Penn State, for example, knocked on our door tomorrow we’d expand in football. But we haven’t had that happen.”

Boston College could also be another school he was talking about indirectly, since they play in the ACC (more of a southeastern conference). Before anyone says "The Big East is never going to get Penn St to join", let me add that I am merely trying to interpret what the commish, not analyze whether what he said is feasible or realistic. I don't believe the Big East will ever have a chance of landing Penn St.

Yeah, I misread the conference part. That portion definitely sounds like he's referring to Penn State.

(11-05-2009 10:01 AM)Strat57 Wrote:  

(11-05-2009 09:56 AM)Birmingham Tiger Wrote:  

(11-04-2009 10:44 PM)nhillis Wrote:  Maybe it is my blue sunglasses that I have on, but the positive I take from that is the repeated, "If someone approaches us that adds value," statement.

Unfortuately, we carry no value in football.

You are falling into the trap that many make. The BE thing is not about the on field product. It is strictly about money. Whether we are 0-12 or 12-0, it won't make a bit of difference. This is all about the $$$ value of what you bring. Those involved have been very specific in saying that to people.

Agree...to a point. I think it does make a bit of a difference.

It definitely is about the monetary value a school brings to the conference. However, when you put a bad product on the field, your ability to add monetary value to any conference is greatly hampered. Realistically, 4000 fans at a football game doesn't generate a lot of monetary value, and there's going to be a limit to how much our big money supporters can kick in before that well begins to run dry and we have to be able to support ourselves.

My point is this: our football program MUST be successful on the field in order to create enough monetary value for us to become attractive to any BCS conference. It's something of a Catch-22.

Sing us a song, your the piano man....

(11-05-2009 09:04 AM)fsquid Wrote:  

(11-05-2009 09:00 AM)RCM1029 Wrote:  The noise up here in Philadelphia recently has been that the "9th/17th" member of the Big East would be Boston College, and either East Carolina or Central Florida would take BC's vacated ACC spot...with UCF being the favorite.

Coach K just threw up in his mouth.

The last thing the ACC wants is another Florida school. The conference bluebloods (UNC, UVA, Duke) would never, ever let UCF in. Same with ECU unless pressure comes from the NC state legislature.

I think UofL is on the money.

If we were considered a school of value to the Big East - why not include Memphis now? We've made it obvious that we are practically begging (even w/ FedEx in our corner) for entry into the Big East and yet very rarely are we truly mentioned by anyone other than 3th party speculators as being a viable option.

Sure we have a well branded name in basketball - but so does Big East basketball. Everyone here knows the football facilities are 3rd world at best and until we make some investments into Tiger football - I think we will be considered the red-headed step child in foster care.

I hope I am way off and we have inclusion very soon......but......

(11-05-2009 11:21 AM)ByrdDogX Wrote:  I think UofL is on the money.

If we were considered a school of value to the Big East - why not include Memphis now? We've made it obvious that we are practically begging (even w/ FedEx in our corner) for entry into the Big East and yet very rarely are we truly mentioned by anyone other than 3th party speculators as being a viable option.

Sure we have a well branded name in basketball - but so does Big East basketball. Everyone here knows the football facilities are 3rd world at best and until we make some investments into Tiger football - I think we will be considered the red-headed step child in foster care.

I hope I am way off and we have inclusion very soon......but......

Adding a school of value is different than adding a school with corporate sponsorship. Adding a school of value is a school that would bring the Big East better bowls and help get us a better tv deal for football.

There is something that I have been curious about regarding the Straw Vote (or Poll) story during last basketball season: was it ever clarified what group within the Big East framework engaged in this vote?

Was it the football coaches (obviously making this vote only of FB playing schools) of whom many (Edsall, Stewart to name two)have commented on adding a 9th school; or was it the ADs of 1) FB only in a secret meeting 2) all Big East ADs; or, the Presidents of 1) FB only BE school presidents in a secret meeting 2) a meeting involving all Big East presidents meaning it included the Catholic schools - there are always references back to the Straw Vote comments in these Big East threads but has there ever been a specific group this Vote was attributed to?

Honestly I never heard of a straw vote until I saw the threads on this board. I can't confirm or deny they happened in the first place. I'll take Strats and Andy's word on it. But its really not mentioned on Big Eastbbs or any of our team sites.

(11-05-2009 11:54 AM)animus Wrote:  

(11-05-2009 11:21 AM)ByrdDogX Wrote:  I think UofL is on the money.

If we were considered a school of value to the Big East - why not include Memphis now? We've made it obvious that we are practically begging (even w/ FedEx in our corner) for entry into the Big East and yet very rarely are we truly mentioned by anyone other than 3th party speculators as being a viable option.

Sure we have a well branded name in basketball - but so does Big East basketball. Everyone here knows the football facilities are 3rd world at best and until we make some investments into Tiger football - I think we will be considered the red-headed step child in foster care.

I hope I am way off and we have inclusion very soon......but......

Adding a school of value is different than adding a school with corporate sponsorship. Adding a school of value is a school that would bring the Big East better bowls and help get us a better tv deal for football.

I'm becoming convinced you guys are right and we have no hope of getting in. I believe we are trying hard, I just don't see it happening. Pray I'm wrong though.

we aren't getting in. face reality.

(11-05-2009 07:28 AM)cmt Wrote:  We should seriously consider dropping football (or at least dropping a division) should the dominoes fall again and stop without us in the BCS.

IMO, we will not be alone in dropping from the FBS classification. Football is a significant drain on athletic budgets and it is difficult to justify spending money with little hope of making a BCS bowl.

It is BCS or bust for our Tigers.

I'm not saying Memphis isn't joining the Big East by anymeans. If the BCS ceases to exist the Big East may end up dying as well if we don't get big bowl bids. The Big East could fall to midmajor status overnight if that happens. Which could result in schools like Syracuse and Pitt begging to join the Big 10. These next few years just got a little more interesting.

(11-05-2009 12:55 PM)animus Wrote:  I'm not saying Memphis isn't joining the Big East by anymeans. If the BCS ceases to exist the Big East may end up dying as well if we don't get big bowl bids. The Big East could fall to midmajor status overnight if that happens. Which could result in schools like Syracuse and Pitt begging to join the Big 10. These next few years just got a little more interesting.

I don't think anybody can say for sure. It's just that the more I read from various sources the less likely it appears.

I read it in from a few sources as well. I'm not saying its going to happen. I'm just stating the what if.

We're doomed.

I heard Nov 10th is the new date for announcement!

Yep

(11-05-2009 01:26 PM)Brother Bluto Wrote:  Yep

U sayin YEP to the date? I really did hear this but as soon as I did I laughed and thought of Tigerscane. No way I'm gonna believe it until I see it or get everyone's hopes up about it...

(11-05-2009 01:17 PM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  We're doomed.

You've seen the light.

(11-05-2009 01:31 PM)tiger1514 Wrote:  

(11-05-2009 01:26 PM)Brother Bluto Wrote:  Yep

U sayin YEP to the date? I really did hear this but as soon as I did I laughed and thought of Tigerscane. No way I'm gonna believe it until I see it or get everyone's hopes up about it...

where did u hear this "date" from?

(11-05-2009 01:38 PM)Bathtub Gin Wrote:  

(11-05-2009 01:31 PM)tiger1514 Wrote:  

(11-05-2009 01:26 PM)Brother Bluto Wrote:  Yep

U sayin YEP to the date? I really did hear this but as soon as I did I laughed and thought of Tigerscane. No way I'm gonna believe it until I see it or get everyone's hopes up about it...

where did u hear this "date" from?

No way in Hell I'm getting this started - just forget I said a date. That's the point of my multiple LMAO smilies....

If something happens - then I'll take credit. I say it again - I'm not believing anything until I see it.